From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Tue Aug 07 12:48:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 7 Aug 2001 19:48:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 84998 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 19:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2001 19:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 19:46:50 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.41.11]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010807194648.CTT20588.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:46:48 +0100 To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: {kai'i} Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:45:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 9301 Recent distinct threads have established (a) that {ka} is redundant, since {du'u} can serve all the functions of current {ka} (b) that there is a need to be able to define reflexive selbri that can function as sumti tails, analgously to {da noi ke'a ke'a lumci} = "something that *self-washes*". I first propose a NU, {kai'i}, meaning "ckaji (be le ka)". Then da noi ke'a ke'a lumci = lo kai'i ce'u ce'u lumci = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u ce'u lumci And more generally: lo broda = da noi ke'a broda = lo kai'i ce'u broda = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u broda da noi mi djuno tu'o du'u ke'a broda = lo kai'i mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda = lo ckaji be tu'o du'u mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda I secondly propose that {ka} could be redefined as equivalent to {kai'i}. --And.