From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Mon Aug 27 13:14:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 27 Aug 2001 20:14:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 99982 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2001 19:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2001 19:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Aug 2001 19:59:54 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.90.43]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010827195952.QCEX710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:59:52 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] ko'a klama .isecaubo mi djuno Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0108261702420R.01123@neofelis> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 10172 > This appears to mean "He came without my knowing," but it also claims > that I know. Comments? My first thought was that if not this then some similar example would indeed be a contradiction, but on reflection I wonder whether {.isecaubo broda} implicitly negates {broda}, so your example means: "He went. And that happened without it being the case that I knew." --And.