From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Aug 28 22:06:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 29 Aug 2001 05:06:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 34113 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2001 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2001 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Aug 2001 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7T56ZT01770 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:06:34 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] The Knights who forgot to say "ni!" In-Reply-To: <20010829004139.B551@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 10234 On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Rob Speer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:51:40PM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > > Well, I have trouble with the first line, that {ni} and {ka} are similar. > > What is the role of {ce'u} in {ni}, which is apparently a quantity and so a > > complete object, not a function and so incomplete. I can, in fact, imagine a > > functional sense of {ni} and {ce'u} may be a very efficient way to do that: > > ko'a frica ko'e le ni ce'u prami la meris. > > But that has to wait until we understand what is a good first argument for > > {ni prami}, which we don't really have yet. > > Why use {ce'u} at all for {ni}? {ni} can only refer to one amount, so there > would be no problem at all with using {ke'a}. Because there is a difference between {ni ce'u prami kei} and {ni prami ce'u kei}. However, it is true that I really don't know what {ni ce'u prami ce'u kei} means. ----- "It is not enough that an article is new and useful. The Constitution never sanctioned the patenting of gadgets. [...] It was never the object of those laws to grant a monopoly for every trifling device, every shadow of a shade of an idea, which would naturally and spontaneously occur to any skilled mechanic or operator in the ordinary progress of manufactures." -- Supreme Court Justice Douglas, 1950