From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Mon Aug 13 10:16:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 13 Aug 2001 17:16:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 76269 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 17:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2001 17:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 17:15:19 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.88.12]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010813171518.PEV23687.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:15:18 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] {kai'i} Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:14:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 9490 John: > And Rosta scripsit: > > Recent distinct threads have established > > > > (a) that {ka} is redundant, since {du'u} can serve all the > > functions of current {ka} > > It is redundant only in a version of Lojban where you are not permitted > to elide "ce'u". Yes. Xod & me compiled a list of reasons why eliding ce'u is a bad thing. The discussions also noted that we can't elide Q-kau, or otherwise indicated that an abstraction contains a Q-kau. The upshot: {ka} doesn't earn its keep. --And.