From cowan@ccil.org Fri Aug 10 14:38:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 10 Aug 2001 21:38:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29513 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2001 21:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2001 21:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Aug 2001 21:38:37 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15VJzP-0003YA-00; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:38:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: (C)V'{i|u}V In-Reply-To: <20010804230045.A425@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> from Richard Curnow at "Aug 4, 2001 11:00:45 pm" To: Richard Curnow Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 9403 Richard Curnow scripsit: > Others (aa,ae,ao,ea,ee,eo,eu,oa,oe,oo,ou) _could_ be automatically > treated as though they have a comma (==apostrophe). But is this > entertained by the baseline? IMHO no. A word like baa or jbofie is a morphological monstrosity, and should be reported as an error, just as brodybri'e should be (it cannot be a cmene, cmavo, gismu, lujvo, or fu'ivla). The relevant principles are: 1. Commas never affect word identity or resolution. 2. The 11 illegal pairs can only appear in cmene or fu'ivla, in which case they may be pronounced like the corresponding V'Vs (so fa'an and fa,an are not distinct names, and bro,aboda and bro'aboda are not distinct brivla). The whole point of forbidding cmavo like fa,i is that it could be understood as fai or fa'i; and likewise for fa,a, fa, and fa'a. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter