From pycyn@aol.com Fri Sep 07 07:10:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 14:10:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 73022 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 14:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 14:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 14:05:22 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id r.124.462e660 (4327) for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <124.462e660.28ca2e0e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:05:02 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_124.462e660.28ca2e0e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 10537 --part1_124.462e660.28ca2e0e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2001 5:43:29 AM Central Daylight Time, xod@sixgirls.org writes: [Kominek]> la djan daspo le munje > > > > xu munje ru'u do> I've lost the thread here. I don't see how "John destroys the universe" answers the question "How can I experience a bridi if I am not in one of its places?" It is not about an experience (and if John succeeds, I won't experience that even). Nor do I see how the question "Is some universe around you" is a good reposte. It is still not about an experience and does not put a person in a place in the original bridi. My guess is that the point here is that the experiencer has to be in the picture, whether mentioned or not: Jay claiming that the explicit mention is unnecessary, xod that the mention is always implicit even if not explicit. So, yes, you can't experience something you are not present to, but, no, your description of what you experience does not have to refer to you explicitly. --part1_124.462e660.28ca2e0e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2001 5:43:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
xod@sixgirls.org writes:

<How can I experience a bridi if I am not in one of its places?

[Kominek]> la djan daspo le munje



xu munje ru'u do>
I've lost the thread here.  I don't see how "John destroys the universe"
answers the question "How can I experience a bridi if I am not in one of its
places?" It is not about an experience (and if John succeeds, I won't
experience that even).  Nor do I see how the question "Is some universe
around you" is a good reposte.  It is still not about an experience and does
not put a person in a place in the original bridi.  
My guess is that the point here is that the experiencer has to be in the
picture, whether mentioned or not: Jay claiming that the explicit mention is
unnecessary, xod that the mention is always implicit even if not explicit.  
So, yes, you can't experience something you are not present to, but, no, your
 description of what you experience does not have to refer to you explicitly. --part1_124.462e660.28ca2e0e_boundary--