From araizen@newmail.net Thu Sep 27 14:42:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 27 Sep 2001 21:41:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 4791 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 21:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 27 Sep 2001 21:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailgw2.netvision.net.il) (194.90.1.9) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 21:41:58 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (ras1-p96.rvt.netvision.net.il [62.0.180.96]) by mailgw2.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01179 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:41:57 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <05eb01c1479d$62ecacc0$d8b5003e@oemcomputer> To: "lojban" References: Subject: Re: [lojban] Set of answers encore Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:59:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 From: "Adam Raizen" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11128 la .and cusku di'e > Lojban needs an unambiguous way of distinguishing between > > 'intensional believe': x1 has the thought that x2 is the case > > and > > 'extensional believe': The states of affairs that x1 believes obtain include x2 How about 'jinvi', 'djuno', 'krici', 'tugni', 'sarxe', etc. all default to extensional, and then the intensional sense can be had with a tanru or lujvo using 'pensi' (or maybe 'te sidbo'). If x both extensionally believes that y and also thinks about or forms an idea about y then x intensionally believes that y, no? mu'o mi'e .adam.