From pycyn@aol.com Fri Sep 07 01:32:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 08:32:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 17408 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 08:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 08:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 08:32:50 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id r.22.1b6e4122 (4012) for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <22.1b6e4122.28c9e02c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:32:44 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] ce'u To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_22.1b6e4122.28c9e02c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 10517 --part1_22.1b6e4122.28c9e02c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/6/2001 7:59:08 PM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com writes: > This is indeed a matter on the philosophical end of semantics rather than > the grammatical end. However, if the semantics of "nu" has even the > most microscopic resemblance to what "event" means, then a nu is something > that consists of a portion of spacetime. "2+2=4" does not consist of a > portion of spacetime. > Oi, a problem. I aagree that 2+2 = 4 is not an event. But it does seem to be a fact -- and a necessary one. So, maybe facts -- in Lojban (I am less sure it ever arose in English) -- are not events. Propositions? --part1_22.1b6e4122.28c9e02c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/6/2001 7:59:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com writes:


This is indeed a matter on the philosophical end of semantics rather than
the grammatical end. However, if the semantics of "nu" has even the
most microscopic resemblance to what "event" means, then a nu is something
that consists of a portion of spacetime. "2+2=4" does not consist of a
portion of spacetime.


Oi, a problem.  I aagree that 2+2 = 4 is not an event.  But it does seem to
be a fact --  and a necessary one.  So, maybe facts -- in Lojban (I am less
sure it ever arose in English) -- are not events.  Propositions? --part1_22.1b6e4122.28c9e02c_boundary--