From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Sep 14 18:06:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 15 Sep 2001 01:06:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 74242 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 00:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2001 00:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 00:33:36 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.84.163]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010915003334.NOHM29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:33:34 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Set of answers encore Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:32:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <22.1bb3adb1.28cff427@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 10715 pc: > Lojbab, in the midst of his several-message-long "Write in lojban, not about > it" screed (flame banked) did manage to clarify what is wrong with extension > analysis vis a vis set of answers analysis: there are some answers which are > not in the extension of the whatever minus Q-kau, as a function (the answers > aren't the things that fit, but the whole expressions with them fitted in). > As he noted, taking things makes no allowance for answers like (eliptically) > "nothing," or {na'i}, which is always a possible answer. This also > clarifies in what way {makau} is different from {ce'u}, for the latter does > work in an extension-of sort of way. If you mean "djuno lo du'u makau klama" where it is the case that no da klama, then this is covered by the extension-of analysis: {da de poi du'u da -extension-of lodu'u ce'u klama zo'u djuno de} -- where no di klama, da is an empty set, and the knower knows it to be the extension of lodu'u ce'u klama. --And.