From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Sep 07 09:09:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 16:09:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 17273 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 15:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 15:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 15:58:27 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.84.175]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010907155825.LCGJ29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:58:25 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] tu'o again (was: the set of answers Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:57:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 10546 Xod: > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > there was agreement that {tu'o} couldn't sensically mean both "null operand" > > and "non-specific/elliptical number", and John opined that it should mean > > only "null operand". I agree with him. > > What does "null operand" mean? Does it mean a number-substitute for > situations where no number can fit? I can't think of any such example, > though. Even with the concept of Universe, of which there is by definition > only one, it is modernly considered that there may be a multitude of them. "null operand" means "mekso equivalent of zi'o". When it is argument of an n-ary operator it converts the operator to a (n-1)-ary operator. But since it is a PA, it can grammatically occur in a quantifier position, but with no obvious meaning. Then Jorge suggested using it in contexts where a quantifier/gadri is grammatically mandatory but logically otiose and odious. (E.g. for sumti derived from selbri "x1 is the proposition 2+2=4", "x1 is the colour blue", "x1 is Xod", and so on.) --And.