From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Thu Sep 27 05:18:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 27 Sep 2001 12:18:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24181 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.4.52 with QMQP; 27 Sep 2001 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:56:00 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:27:06 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:26:27 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Set of answers encore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11099 >>> Jorge Llambias 09/26/01 11:46pm >>> #la and cusku di'e #>Another example: #> #>John believes that Bill's age is the cube root of 389017. #> #>... when John has the thought "It is the case that Bill is 73". # #I think we should distinguish the two claims: # #(1) la djan krici le du'u la bil se nanca # le tenfa be li 389017 bei li 1/3 # #(2) la djan krici le du'u le se nanca be la bil # cu tenfa li 389017 li 1/3 # #In (1), John's belief is about the {nanca} relationship, in (2) #it is about the {tenfa} relationship. In neither it's about both. [=3D "In neither is it about both"?] #Whether or not {le tenfa be li 389017 bei li 1/3} is a good way #or not to refer to {li 73} is up to the speaker, and has nothing #to do with John's beliefs in (1). I agree IFF you leave the gadri as {le} -- le se nanca, le tenfa. If they're {le}, then (1-2) can rewrite as: (1') le tenfa be li 389017 bei li 1/3 be'o goi ko'a zo'u la djan krici le du'u la bil se nanca ko'a (2') le se nanca be la bil be'o goi ko'a zo'u la djan krici le du'u ko'a cu tenfa li 389017 li 1/3 which are patently nonsynonymous. However,=20 (1'') la djan krici le du'u la bil se nanca lo tenfa be li 389017 bei li 1/3 (2'') la djan krici le du'u lo se nanca be la bil cu tenfa li 389017 li 1/3 are both synonymous and equivalent to (3) la djan krici le du'u da ge se nanca la bil gi tenfa li 389017 li 1/3 --And.