From cowan@ccil.org Wed Oct 31 19:30:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 03:30:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71519 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 03:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 03:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 03:30:18 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15z8Yo-0002jH-00 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:30:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] a construal of lo'e & le'e In-Reply-To: <13d.3c5b2a9.2911fe8c@aol.com> from "pycyn@aol.com" at "Oct 31, 2001 08:25:32 pm" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:30:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11826 pycyn@aol.com scripsit: > 5. Does this mean that prototypes should replace typicals as the referents > of {lo'e} expressions? Not obviously. On the one hand, it is not clear that > prototypes are nearly as common as typicals as points we want to make or > distinctions that cause problems. The chief difficulty with typicals is what And put his finger on. It's typical for lions (distributively) to live in Africa, so lo'e cinfo is said to live there. However, it's *not* typical for lions (distributively) to be discussed on the list -- indeed, no particular lion has ever been discussed here -- nevertheless, lo'e cinfo cu se casnu mi'a. So typicals have some properties that are not typical of the members of the underlying set. Which is strange. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Please leave your values | Check your assumptions. In fact, at the front desk. | check your assumptions at the door. --sign in Paris hotel | --Miles Vorkosigan