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To: pycyn <pycyn@aol.com>, lojban <lojban@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [lojban] RE: SE-FA
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From: And Rosta <arosta@uclan.ac.uk>
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>>> <pycyn@aol.com> 10/31/01 01:20am >>>
#And:
#<Speaking of word-order,another thing I wish for is a SE converter
#that moves a nonx1 to x1 and then shuffles all other places along
#one. I find I need that more often than standard SE conversion.>
#
#It is easy to create one for each place, though I have never had occasion =
to=20
#use one or see one used. They are complex, of course, unless taken as unit=
s.=20=20
#Which of the possible interpretations of your description do you prefer?  =
I=20
#suppose you mean (for 3) 31245, i.e. setesete (I think).  If you want this=
=20
#reordering to start from the shifted number and then get round to 1ff at t=
he=20
#end (34512), that is different, texeseve.=20=20

I had in mind 31245. Which is setese =3D tesete. I find that even with one
SE conversion I have to concentrate to remember the resulting place
order (se is okay, but te/ve/xe are harder), and that with two SE I have
to resort to working it out on a piece of paper. So anyway, yes, learning
"setese" as a unit might in the end be the simplest option. I have in=20
fact used setese, but I don't think it's fair to inflict it on people; unle=
ss
they've learnt it as a unit, which they won't have, because nobody
else uses it, they'll have to spend two minutes working it out.

--And.