From xod@sixgirls.org Sun Oct 07 20:06:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 8 Oct 2001 03:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 379 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 03:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 8 Oct 2001 03:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 03:06:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f98363K21703 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:06:02 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] translation exercise In-Reply-To: <3BBC7D62.5070504@reutershealth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11433 On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, John Cowan wrote: > And Rosta wrote: > > > I'm wondering how to say this in Lojban: > > > > "Fortunately, the madman was captured before he murdered someone" > > I was going to say .ui le fenki pu kavbu ca le nu fy. pu'o catra > da, but I think we decided that you can't be in the pu'o stage of > something that never gets to the ca'o stage. This is impossible. pu'o means there is every reasonable indication that the event is going to occur, but since it is in the future, we cannot be certain. If what you said is true, it means that pu'o could never be used as a current tense (mi pu'o plipe), but could only be used after the fact (mi pu pu'o plipe). (We can only guarantee the ca'o stage after the event has already started.) Your translation is correct in the tense aspect. > > How about .ui le fenki pu kavbu pu leda'i nu fy. catra da, then. > The "da'i" emphasizes that "fy. catra da" does not hold. > > I know the predicates are not too precise. -- It's said that Mullah Omar has met two non-Muslims in his life. Others say even that's not true. Sami ul-Haq, Osama bin Laden's closest friend in Pakistan, runs the "University for the Education of Truth," a fundamentalist institution that educated and trained nine out of the Taliban's top 10 leaders.