From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Thu Nov 15 16:37:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 00:37:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 97344 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 00:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 00:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 00:37:34 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.91.222]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20011116003732.AND16860.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:37:32 +0000 To: "lojban" Subject: RE: [lojban] Why is there so much irregularity in cmavo/gismu? Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:36:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011115124501.052aac30@pop.cais.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12183 > From: Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) [mailto:lojbab@lojban.org] > At 02:08 PM 11/15/01 +0000, And Rosta wrote: > >If it makes sense to ask a yes/no question about a specific part of > >the sentence then it also makes sense to affirm or negate a > >specific part of the sentence. Just as xo behaves like a PA and > >ma behaves like a KOhA, so xu should behave like a JAhA. > > No, that is an argument for all the JAhA to behave like a UI, except that > then we would lose the capability for logical negation. That's why xu/ja'a/na should be in JAhA rather than UI. > My answer is that the strict question which a JAhA answers is not "xu", but > ja'axu or naxu, but we interpret sentence scope xu to be the same as > ja'axu. Not a bad answer, but in {du'u xu kau broda} the {xu kau} is to be replaced with {ja'a} or {na}, and by the usual rule of replacing like with like, that would mean that {xu} should be in JAhA. --And.