From jay.kominek@colorado.edu Tue Nov 27 06:54:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Nov 2001 14:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 5110 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 14:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2001 14:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ucsub.colorado.edu) (128.138.129.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 14:54:55 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu [128.138.129.12]) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2/ITS-5.0/student) with ESMTP id fAREstQ22058 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:54:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:54:54 -0700 (MST) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [lojban] The end of the wiki In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Jay Kominek X-Yahoo-Profile: jfkominek X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12345 On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, And Rosta wrote: > Tinkit's wiki contributions *are* about Lojban, even though his views > are unpopular. They are _barely_ about Lojban. As one can see with just a bit of Googling, this whole hexadecimal fixation he has isn't constrained to merely Lojban. Hell, with the amount of effort he puts into ranting and raving about it, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd learned Lojban just so that he'd have another forum in which to go on about hexadecimal. His other contributions consist of exclaiming how broken Lojban is, and making up some wild solution. And where he at least has you remotely interested (redoing the gismu), he doesn't bother to describe how he might redo them, (most likely because that topic met with a modicum of acceptance, which isn't any fun) but we're now being subjected to his variant of the alphabet, which is _not_ related to Lojban. > he is subjected to abuse there -- censoriousness and threatened > censorship . I'm threatening to remove people who consistently demonstrate that they've no interest in contributing Lojban-related material. The Wiki is Lojban-related. Other topics, including metadiscussion about the Wiki, are simply not appropriate. He can make his own Wiki about that if he'd like, the program is free. My disk space is not, and I've got the right to decide on what I'm going to waste it. > The wiki was formerly a delightfully pluralistic dynamic environment > where people with such conflicting views as Jay and me could rub > along amicably. The overall sense of community it gave off was, I > felt, very alluring. Because at that point, everyone was actually interested in Lojban. thinkit is not interested in Lojban, he is interested in trolling. There simply is _no_other_way_ in which to describe someone who consistently brings up a beaten down topic like he does with hexadecimal. > And now there are these petty squabbles and the harassing of Tinkit's > dissent, and the atmosphere of the place is grown most noxious and > offputting. >From where I sit, thinkit is actively working to get people to harass him, which is why we call him a troll. > AFAIK Tinkit hasn't vandalized the site, so he shouldn't be told to piss > off or have his IP address blacklisted. I've no intent of blacklisting him yet, but I'm quite sure that in the end, it will be demonstrated that not doing so now was a mistake. Unless something drastic changes, this will be my last message on the subject of thinkit. My Wiki policy will not change. thinkit can write to the fucking Secretary-General of the UN, the Pope, the President, and my grandmother complaining about how I'm committing human rights abuses, and it won't make a lick of difference. If my policy is so dreadfully unacceptable, one can download a copy of the backup and use that to make one's own Wiki. (But thinkit wouldn't ever do that, even though he thinks this is the end of the Lojban Wiki, as, without other people there to harass, what fun is it?) Again, the backups are available at: http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/backup/ If a somewhat different format would be of more help to someone, just let me know and I'll see what I can do. - Jay Kominek Plus =C3=A7a change, plus c'est la m=C3=AAme chose