From pycyn@aol.com Fri Nov 02 13:53:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 21:53:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 53209 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 21:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 21:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 21:53:15 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.134.3fd55ae (3925) for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:53:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <134.3fd55ae.29146fc3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:53:07 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] a construal of lo'e & le'e To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_134.3fd55ae.29146fc3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11896 --part1_134.3fd55ae.29146fc3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/2001 5:28:48 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > la pycyn cusku di'e > > >How did prototype chat move from {loi}, where it lived for a couple > >decades, > >to {lo'e}? > > I think it was when collective chat took over {loi}. > Pity. Mr. Broda really belongs in {loi} as that theory's correlate of the mass of brodas and the the mass Broda in count and mass metaphysics respectively. The patterns -- except for primacy and minor details -- are the same. Lojban does not much favor any of them but allows each of them to be used both freely and constrainedly. We do tend to force our own favorite (typically count) on Lojban (and to favor constructions that flow most naturally with that) , but Lojban does not pick and choose. The only major metaphysic that Lojban has real trouble with is radical empiricism, but that is, by definition, ineffable, so Lojbans problems are not unique. --part1_134.3fd55ae.29146fc3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/2001 5:28:48 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


la pycyn cusku di'e

>How did prototype chat move from {loi}, where it lived for a couple
>decades,
>to {lo'e}?

I think it was when collective chat took over {loi}.


Pity.  Mr. Broda really belongs in {loi} as that theory's correlate of the mass of brodas and the the mass Broda in count and mass metaphysics respectively.  The patterns -- except for primacy and minor details -- are the same.  Lojban does not much favor any of them but allows each of them to be used both freely and constrainedly.  We do tend to force our own favorite (typically count) on Lojban (and to favor constructions that flow most naturally with that) , but Lojban does not pick and choose.  The only major metaphysic that Lojban has real trouble with is radical empiricism, but that is, by definition, ineffable, so Lojbans problems are not unique. --part1_134.3fd55ae.29146fc3_boundary--