From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Sat Nov 10 15:48:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 23:48:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 93934 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 23:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 23:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 23:48:29 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.40.125]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011110234736.GBM4462.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:47:36 +0000 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] observatives & a construal of lo'e & le'e Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:46:55 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011110010837.00d5a510@pop.cais.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12012 Lojbab: > >{la odisix} is indeed the perfect thing, IMO, and {me la odisix} > >for versions of it. But this is no good in the present discussion, > >because it fails to generalize to other generics. For example, > >knowing that the generic Odyssey is {la odisix} does not tell us > >how to refer to the generic lion. Hence it is important that Lojbab > >find a way to refer to the generic Odyssey using "cuktrodisi". > > la cuktrodisi? > > If it works for one kind of name, it should work for any other kind. Well, yes, you can use a cmene, any cmene, to refer to the generic Odyssey. When I said "it is important that Lojbab find a way to refer to the generic Odyssey using "cuktrodisi"", what I meant was "it is important that Lojbab find an expression that denotes the generic Odyssey and uses "cuktrodisi"". "la cuktrodisi" means "that which I am calling 'cuktrodisi'/'Odyssey'", not "that which is the generic Odyssey". Similarly, "la cinfo" means "that which I am calling 'cinfo'/'lion'", not "the generic lion". --And.