From pycyn@aol.com Thu Nov 01 01:32:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 09:32:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 39294 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 09:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 09:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 09:32:11 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.54.1d3ce419 (4555) for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:32:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54.1d3ce419.29127095@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:32:05 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] a construal of lo'e & le'e To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.1d3ce419.29127095_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11829 --part1_54.1d3ce419.29127095_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/2001 11:14:42 AM Central Standard Time, arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes: > I don't see a problem with > "re da kanla lo'e remna". Abstract away to a conceptual > realm where there is just Mr Human (some thinkers may > already be in that realm, of course), and check through > everything in the universe to find whether there are > exactly two things that be-eye him [sorry for sexism]. > And so there are. > Well, except that there aren't in the universe that contains only Mr. Human, because then He (ditto) id the instantiation of all bound variables and he is not an eye. You do have to be careful in these ontologies. --part1_54.1d3ce419.29127095_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/2001 11:14:42 AM Central Standard Time, arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes:


I don't see a problem with
"re da kanla lo'e remna". Abstract away to a conceptual
realm where there is just Mr Human (some thinkers may
already be in that realm, of course), and check through
everything in the universe to find whether there are
exactly two things that be-eye him [sorry for sexism].
And so there are.


Well, except that there aren't in the universe that contains only Mr. Human, because then He (ditto) id the instantiation of all bound variables and he is not an eye.  You do have to be careful in these ontologies. --part1_54.1d3ce419.29127095_boundary--