From pycyn@aol.com Mon Nov 26 14:09:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 16135 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.81.13aa674e (4533) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:09:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <81.13aa674e.2934178b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:09:15 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] lo'e and NAhEBO To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_81.13aa674e.2934178b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12330 --part1_81.13aa674e.2934178b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/26/2001 10:45:00 AM Central Standard Time, jcowan@reutershealth.com writes: > Well, I think this presupposition is just wrong: the typical American is > not the modal American -- on what scale, anyway? Height? Income? > Color of car? Rather, lo'e merkypre is an *abstract entity* that > abstracts away everything which is not typical: thus he/she has a car, > but is neither male nor female. > Think "the average man" (though not necessarily the statistical part). {lo'e/le'e} is slightly misleading in that it looks like it is about (an) individual(s) specifically, whereas it is about a class vaguely. The goal involved might be better served -- in a logical language -- by an adverb, a modal cmavo, of some sort: "member of the class broda *typically* brode," but, following English, Loglan and Lojban have gone another way, with the occasional ontological problems that result. --part1_81.13aa674e.2934178b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/26/2001 10:45:00 AM Central Standard Time, jcowan@reutershealth.com writes:


Well, I think this presupposition is just wrong: the typical American is
not the modal American -- on what scale, anyway?  Height?  Income?
Color of car?  Rather, lo'e merkypre is an *abstract entity* that
abstracts away everything which is not typical: thus he/she has a car,
but is neither male nor female.


Think "the average man" (though not necessarily the statistical part).  {lo'e/le'e} is slightly misleading in that it looks like it is about (an) individual(s) specifically, whereas it is about a class vaguely.  The goal involved might be better served -- in a logical language -- by an adverb, a modal cmavo, of some sort: "member of the class broda *typically* brode,"  but, following English, Loglan and Lojban have gone another way, with the occasional ontological problems that result. --part1_81.13aa674e.2934178b_boundary--