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On Friday 02 November 2001 08:17, And Rosta wrote:
> What's the English and Lojban name for that sweet smelling chemical
> given off by ink (marker pens & inkjet ink) and rotting fruit?
> Ghosts of memories of O level chemistry are whispering 'ester',
> 'ether', 'ethanol', 'alcohol'.
>
> It would be a bit weird to try to form a lujvo from se xukmi
> plus both "ink" and "rotting fruit". Or would it? Maybe that would
> absolutely and unambiguously zero in on the right chemical.
>
> Likewise for the chemical one smells (a) when opening a roll of
> 35mm film, and (b) in the breath or sweat of someone who is extremely
> deydrated. A German doctor told me it was [keton], which I took
> to be 'acetone'. So xukmrketoni, or else some perspicuous but
> fearfully complex lujvo of te kacma + djacu claxu remna + xukmi.

I don't know what chemical is which smell, but there is a word "ketone". We 
have a paucity of chemical gismu and need some more. I came up with {gikla}, 
thus jaurgilsodna is sodium hydroxide, but could not find a set of unused 
rafsi with the right vowels to use for -ane, -ene, -yne. Aldehyde could be 
xaldrotervi'u, but that doesn't give an obvious rafsi for -al.

phma