From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Sat Nov 03 17:56:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 01:56:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3836 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 01:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 01:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 01:56:48 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.43.228]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011104015646.UKZS21455.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 01:56:46 +0000 Reply-To: To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: RE: [lojban] lo with discourse-scope? Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 01:56:03 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011102092608.K8020@digitalkingdom.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11914 Robin: > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:25:36AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > "An/This Englishman walks into an Irish pub. He goes up to the bar and..." > > > > Which Englishman? > > It doesn't matter -- any old Englishman. > > So not {le glico} then? > > No. > > So {lo glico}? > > Well, no, because its quantifier should bind only what is within its scope, > > yet throughout the rest of the joke, "he" and "le glico" refer back to the > > Englishman. > > So what we need is a way to indicate an existential quantifier that > has scope > > over an entire text? > > Yes. > > And how do we do that? > > I've no idea. I'll ask The List. > > Uhhh, doesn't da keep its binding until changed? > > That's certainly how I use it. It certainly keeps its binding (until unbound by da'o) while it remains within the scope of the quantifier that binds it. Outside the scope of a prior quantifier I would treat da as newly bound. --And.