From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Fri Nov 23 12:25:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 20:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 39862 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 20:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 20:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 20:25:08 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.91.241]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20011118034911.ILDB14952.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:49:11 +0000 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Antipathies was le re mlana be le mledi Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <0111161227170R.03953@neofelis> From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12246 Pierre: > On Thursday 15 November 2001 19:51, Rob Speer wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:36:59AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > > I thought it a more implausible mistake because it (confusing > > > dukti/dukse) seems more like the sorts of mistake us Lojbanists ourselves > > > make. > > > > I disagree. I assume that Alice is fluent enough at Lojban that she > > would not mix up root words that are the base of the lujvo - however, a > > 3-letter rafsi which modifies it, in a way she's not entirely sure about > > because she doesn't precisely know what the resulting word means, might > > end up off by one letter. > > Okay. Here are some possibilities: > ctudukti: teach-opposite: heterodox? > skudukti: express-opposite > sfudukti: hoof-opposite > sludukti: muscle-opposite: the other muscle in an opposing pair? > smudukti: meaning-opposite: antonym > snudukti: discuss-opposite > spudukti: reply-opposite > srudukti: surround-opposite > stadukti: remain-opposite > stedukti: list-opposite > stidukti: cease-opposite > stodukti: constant-opposite > tsudukti: stout-opposite > > Perhaps Alice confuses {stizu} and {stuzi} or thinks {sti} is the rafsi for > {stuzi} (it's not the rafsi for {stizu}; that's {tiz}). Or maybe she heard > one of the other words at school. People tend to mix up word ends more than word beginnings, the start of words being more salient for psycholinguistic reasons. duktystu/duktyctu might be a good pair. It also has phonological plausibility. --And.