From pycyn@aol.com Fri Nov 09 13:58:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 21:58:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 91263 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 21:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 21:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 21:58:45 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.93.1301b53a (3949) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:58:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <93.1301b53a.291dab8a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:58:34 EST Subject: RE: Loti To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_93.1301b53a.291dab8a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11994 --part1_93.1301b53a.291dab8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pier: This plant being some member of genus Lotus, I supppose. as near as I can figure out, it is the first plant to be called "lootos" in Greek: "a kind of clover or trefoil, on which horses fed" (and some poisoned thereby, when a cyanogene got to strong). In short, the whole confusion bar one goes back to Greek: Ziziphus lotus, the Cyrenian jujube, is presumably what the Lotophagoi et -- almst as good as a date but a bit purgative. It may also (being related to blackthorns, as far as I can figure these things out) be the shrub from which flutes could be made, when the lotos=aulos bit in poetry. And then there is the Nile lotus, Nymphaea spp. No clue about what the Greeks saw in common here. The extension to Nelumbo nucifera from the last mentioned is a snap and is presumably what {latna} is all about. All of these except Nelumbo are in the phytiatrics for one reason or another (though Lotus is not a very reliable poison, or Ziziphus a purgative). One of the active ingredients of Nympaea juice is nuciferine, so the omission of Nelumbo seems an oversight on the compiler's part, though it is not clear what it is useful for. --part1_93.1301b53a.291dab8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pier:
<Does anyone know more about this plant,
or how it came to be called Lotus?>

This plant being some member of genus Lotus, I supppose.
as near as I can figure out, it is the first plant to be called "lootos" in Greek: "a kind of clover or trefoil, on which horses fed" (and some poisoned thereby, when a cyanogene got to strong). In short, the whole confusion bar one goes back to Greek: Ziziphus lotus, the Cyrenian jujube, is presumably what the Lotophagoi et -- almst as good as a date but a bit purgative. It may also (being related to blackthorns, as far as I can figure these things out) be the shrub from which flutes could be made, when the lotos=aulos bit in poetry. And then there is the Nile lotus, Nymphaea spp. No clue about what the Greeks saw in common here. The extension to Nelumbo nucifera from the last mentioned is a snap and is presumably what {latna} is all about. All of these except Nelumbo are in the phytiatrics for one reason or another (though Lotus is not a very reliable poison, or Ziziphus a purgative). One of the active ingredients of Nympaea juice is nuciferine, so the omission of Nelumbo seems an oversight on the compiler's part, though it is not clear what it is useful for. --part1_93.1301b53a.291dab8a_boundary--