From pycyn@aol.com Tue Nov 13 07:55:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 15:55:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 38740 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 15:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 15:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 15:55:57 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.110.84aa562 (4405) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:55:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <110.84aa562.29229c89@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:55:53 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Why is there so much irregularity in cmavo/gismu? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.84aa562.29229c89_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12086 --part1_110.84aa562.29229c89_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/2001 5:57:05 AM Central Standard Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes: > And while we're at it, > can we get rid of selma'o? They are very misleading. the place structure of > selma'o is x2 is the grammatical class containing particle x1 - meaning > that by calling them both UI we put xu and .ui in the same grammar class. > they play extremely different roles. .ui expresses a feeling. xu makes > questions. Sounds the same to me! > Same GRAMMATICAL class (occur anywhere, absorbed by what goes before), not same semantic class or same fucntional class (there are some -- fairly unclear -- subdivisions of some selmaho to deal with the latter). --part1_110.84aa562.29229c89_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/2001 5:57:05 AM Central Standard Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes:


And while we're at it,
can we get rid of selma'o? They are very misleading. the place structure of
selma'o is  x2 is the grammatical class containing particle x1  - meaning
that by calling them both UI we put xu and .ui in the same grammar class.
they play extremely different roles. .ui expresses a feeling. xu makes
questions. Sounds the same to me!


Same GRAMMATICAL class (occur anywhere, absorbed by what goes before), not same semantic class or same fucntional class (there are some -- fairly unclear -- subdivisions of some selmaho to deal with the latter). --part1_110.84aa562.29229c89_boundary--