From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Nov 16 07:44:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 15:44:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 68886 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 15:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 15:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.95) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 15:44:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:44:48 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:44:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Auxlang sentences and lujvo Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:44:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 15:44:48.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F50E7A0:01C16EB5] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12193 > > > > 3. The little cats played all day in the sun. I would say: lei cmalu mlatu cu kelci ze'a le donri fi'o gusni le solri {lei}: I think the English plural does suggest that it is a group of little cats, and not just an unrelated set of individuals. In other words, the sentence is about one relationship between a group of cats, a day and the sun, and not about several relationships, each of which involves one little cat, a day and the sun. In any case, {le} would not be wrong, but {lei} is not wrong either. {ze'a}: I use this when the interval is not particularly long or short. {ca'o} does not indicate that {le donri} is the whole interval of playing. {fi'o gusni le solri} I think works for "in the sun". {solri donri} might work as a contrast with a rainy day. For those who like headline style: soldonri kelci cmamlatu but that might correspond more closely to something like: "Sunny-day playful little cats!" mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp