From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Sat Nov 03 19:37:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 03:37:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 84088 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 03:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 03:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 03:37:34 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.87.20]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011104033733.SXSL5686.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 03:37:33 +0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] re : lo with discourse scope Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 03:36:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c1645e$2e1f6f40$ab24ca3e@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 11917 Greg: > > "An/This Englishman walks into an Irish pub. He goes up to the bar and..." > > > > Which Englishman? > > It doesn't matter -- any old Englishman. > > So not {le glico} then? > > No. > > So {lo glico}? > > Well, no, because its quantifier should bind only what is within its > scope, > > yet throughout the rest of the joke, "he" and "le glico" refer back to the > > Englishman. > > So what we need is a way to indicate an existential quantifier that has > scope > > over an entire text? > > Yes. > > And how do we do that? > > I've no idea. I'll ask The List. > > > > --And. > > > I think I'd use {lo'e} here... (Or le'e if I wanted to be influenced by the > ma'oste), I'd then "call" him back with {gy} Could work for many jokes. Doesn't work for "One Irishman says to another..." So, good suggestion, but not quite what I was after. --And.