From araizen@newmail.net Mon Dec 17 17:57:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Dec 2001 01:57:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 99933 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 01:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2001 01:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sphere.barak.net.il) (212.150.48.98) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 01:57:23 -0000 Received: from out.newmail.net ([10.10.11.10]) by sphere.barak.net.il (InterMail vK.4.03.00.00 201-232-121 license 5444ddd44659357c6c93343e0ce38507) with SMTP id <20011218015607.ZUEL5480.sphere@out.newmail.net> for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:56:07 +0200 Received: from default ([62.0.182.76]) by out.newmail.net ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:58:09 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c187cd$ba972e80$4cb6003e@default> To: Subject: resetting the reference point Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:09:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Adam Raizen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3063669 X-Yahoo-Profile: araizen X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12642 Until someone disagrees, you can't reset the reference point for evaluating tenses with something like a 'ca' tag on an event sumti. Maybe tagging the sumti by 'nau' would work. That way, the problem of example 8.3 of chapter 10 (p. 225), where "ma'i" modifies the tense, could be avoided with "nau vo'a". You could also use "mo'i ri'u vo'a", I think, but the 'nau' tag also works if you don't want to explicitly express the tense. mu'o mi'e .adam.