From pycyn@aol.com Wed Dec 19 17:24:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Dec 2001 01:24:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 4203 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 01:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2001 01:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 01:24:43 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.82.150663fa (4585) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:24:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.150663fa.295297d6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:24:38 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Logical translation request To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.150663fa.295297d6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12662 --part1_82.150663fa.295297d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/18/2001 7:01:51 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > Can you give an example of an agglomeration of tense words that > could not possibly mean anything? I doubt you could find one, > and the worse part is that even if you do, it probably has an > equivalent form that is grammatical anyway This is going to depend upon just what the time system is; that is, what is the hidden presuppositions in the incredible journey through time. this is (wisely) not specified but that means all the possibilities are open. So, for example, tense time could be SAE, which makes at least past futures potentially incommensurate with any other tenses, i.e., "puba P" does not entail "ga pu P giga ca P gi ba P" (this is one way SAE gets irrealis subjunctives, after all). So there can be tense strings that are too long to deal with (around seven shifts, say) in real time and ones that have no other description than the one given in the old Loglan strings. --part1_82.150663fa.295297d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/18/2001 7:01:51 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


Can you give an example of an agglomeration of tense words that
could not possibly mean anything? I doubt you could find one,
and the worse part is that even if you do, it probably has an
equivalent form that is grammatical anyway


This is going to depend upon just what the time system is; that is, what is the hidden presuppositions in the incredible journey through time.  this is (wisely) not specified but that means all the possibilities are open.  So, for example, tense time could be SAE, which makes at least past futures potentially incommensurate with any other tenses, i.e., "puba P" does not entail "ga pu P giga ca P gi ba P" (this is one way SAE gets irrealis subjunctives, after all).  So there can be tense strings that are too long to deal with (around seven shifts, say) in real time and ones that have no other description than the one given in the old Loglan strings. --part1_82.150663fa.295297d6_boundary--