From rob@twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 22 23:57:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Dec 2001 07:57:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 1893 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 07:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2001 07:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.177) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 07:57:08 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id fBN7v7826687 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:57:05 -0500 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16I3U4-0001DC-00 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:55:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:55:47 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Binary Language Message-ID: <20011223075547.GA4599@twcny.rr.com> References: <10e.9b28d45.295690fc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2572649 X-Yahoo-Profile: squeekybobo X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 12681 On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 04:27:52AM -0000, thinkit41 wrote: > Give is simple, the subject (arg1) is the giver, and the object > (arg2) is the object given. A sentence tag defines the recipient. > Are there any really ternary verbs in English? You only get things > like "give me the object" because we are shortening from "give the > object to me". Many verbs are ternary - ones which have a subject, direct object, and indirect object. Putting in the optional "to" before "me" doesn't make it any less the indirect object of "give"; in fact, it makes it more _explicitly_ the indirect object. The recipient is a part of the action of giving; if you give a dollar to nobody, you are not a giver. If you're going to leave necessary places out of your place structures, why are you even bothering to use place structures in the first place? If you could get over your fascination with the number 2 you could just make everything a tag like in Voksigid. Then again, I can't see how tags are implemented at all in your language. Or, in fact, get your revised description - is it in a different place from the original? -- la rab.spir noi 001110110100110101