From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Jan 24 13:02:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 21:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 14624 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 21:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 21:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.126) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 21:02:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:02:21 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:02:21 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: lojban as a programming language [was Re: [lojban] Lojban for lay programmers] Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:02:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 21:02:21.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A7BB730:01C1A51A] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13024 la xod cusku di'e >We actually had a discussion about this a while ago. It revolved around >the question: does lu'e la djan mean " "John" ", or "a symbol for "John""; >is it the symbol, or does it mean the symbol? The choice probably was between the symbol "John" or any other symbol for the person John. A symbol for the name "John" would be referred to as lu'e zo djan. >In Lojban, I think ci'i gets treated just like any other member of selma'o >pa. And I find that refreshing. Sintactically, yes. Semantically, no. {pacipa} follows the same grammar as {paci'ipa}, but the meanings are quite different. The first is 1E2+3E1+1E0. The second I don't know what it is, but it is probably not 1E2+ci'iE1+1E0. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx