From pycyn@aol.com Wed Jan 30 16:58:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 00:58:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22689 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 00:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 00:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 00:58:23 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.c5.1d369c67 (4050) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:57:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:57:40 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: signs and seasons and days and years To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5.1d369c67.2989f084_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13115 --part1_c5.1d369c67.2989f084_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/2002 9:52:54 AM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > The Book says that {ca'e} is also used for performatives. It does > make some sense: And God said "I hereby declare there to be light", > and there was light Why, so it does! I wish someone had noticed that the last time we had a go-round on performatives; what we came up with was unsatisfying to all, as I recall. I also wish that that, rather than "define" was the stated case, since "define" is very much a special case. I like the idea of God as the performative expert par excellence, able to create physical objects, not just contractual bindings. --part1_c5.1d369c67.2989f084_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/2002 9:52:54 AM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


The Book says that {ca'e} is also used for performatives. It does
make some sense: And God said "I hereby declare there to be light",
and there was light


Why, so it does!  I wish someone had noticed that the last time we had a go-round on performatives; what we came up with was unsatisfying to all, as I recall. I also wish that that, rather than "define" was the stated case, since "define" is very much a special case.  I like the idea of God as the performative expert par excellence, able to create physical objects, not just contractual bindings. --part1_c5.1d369c67.2989f084_boundary--