From phma@webjockey.net Sun Jan 27 00:48:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 08:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 68318 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 08:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 08:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 08:48:48 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 718E63C479; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:48:39 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bible translation style question Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:48:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201270348372A.30016@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13053 Adam puts x1 before the brivla, but puts the x3 of a verb of saying (the listener) before x2 (the quotation): 37:8. .i lei bruna be .ibu cu cusku fi .ibu fe lu xu do nobli mi gi'a turni mi li'u they-said to-him his-brothers "kinging? you-king above-us if ruling you-rule in-us" I put the sumti in their specified order unless for some reason such as emphasis, order of quantification, or combining bridi they have to be rearranged: 3:1. .i sy cusku lu xusai le cevni cu cusku lu ro purdi tricu zo'u ko naku citka li'u li'u le ninmu he-said to the-woman indeed but said the-God "not you-eat from-all tree the-garden" Mark puts the Lojban words in an order as close as possible to the Hebrew: 1:4. .i zgana fa la cevni le gusni fi'o se jinvi loza'i xamgu he-saw the-God (ddo) the-light that good I figure that the selbri are in the order they are in for a reason, and putting two or more FA tags (except in omission - I prefer two FAs to two zo'es) or two or more SE conversions sounds unnatural. What do you think? phma