From pycyn@aol.com Wed Feb 27 14:55:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 22:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 45540 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 22:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 22:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 22:55:43 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.97.23c6ab8d (4584) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:55:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <97.23c6ab8d.29aebde8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:55:36 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautologies To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.23c6ab8d.29aebde8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13426 --part1_97.23c6ab8d.29aebde8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/2002 2:07:13 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > >{1} =df {0'} > >0' = 0' (by reflexivity of identity) > >1 = 0' (by definitional replacement). > > How does the first line go into Lojban? > Is it: {ca'e li pa du li no y'ybu}? Something > else? > Somewhat hard to say, since, as you note, nobody knows just how MEX works and this, as a point about the language of mthematics, would naturally go into MEX. It certainly would not be your suggestions, since that makes no sense, being about a couple of numbers (and so not definable) and a letter (not obviously related to anything at all). Maybe {ce'a pabu cu basti nobu ce'o y'ybu} The inverse of the logarithm function ku cu fancu domain-the-reals >range-the-positive-reals ma'o e^x >(where x is a bound variable representing the argument). That's the Cowan place structure, yes. One problem is that nobody quite knows how to put "ma'o e^x (where x is a bound variable representing the argument)" into Lojban. And if this is just a text then there is a second problem, because it is not the text but the meaning of that text that is of interest here.> This is not obvious, it depends upon what the purpose of the sentence is. Cherlin wants it to be a definition, and thus it is exactly text that is wanted, needed, possible. --part1_97.23c6ab8d.29aebde8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/2002 2:07:13 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


>{1} =df {0'}
>0' = 0' (by reflexivity of identity)
>1 = 0'  (by definitional replacement).

How does the first line go into Lojban?
Is it: {ca'e li pa du li no y'ybu}? Something
else?


Somewhat hard to say, since, as you note, nobody knows just how MEX works and this, as a point about the language of mthematics, would naturally go into MEX.  It certainly would not be your suggestions, since that makes no sense, being about a couple of numbers (and so not definable) and a letter (not obviously related to anything at all).  Maybe {ce'a pabu cu basti nobu ce'o y'ybu}

<Edward Cherlin:
>The inverse of the logarithm function ku cu fancu domain-the-reals
>range-the-positive-reals  ma'o e^x
>(where x is a bound variable representing the argument).

That's the Cowan place structure, yes. One problem is that
nobody quite knows how to put "ma'o e^x (where x is a
bound variable representing the argument)" into Lojban.
And if this is just a text then there is a second problem,
because it is not the text but the meaning of that text
that is of interest here.>

This is not obvious, it depends upon what the purpose of the sentence is.  Cherlin wants it to be a definition, and thus it is exactly text that is wanted, needed, possible.
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