From pycyn@aol.com Sat Feb 16 15:50:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 23:50:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 401 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 23:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 23:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 23:50:39 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.4b.187096e8 (4323) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:50:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b.187096e8.29a04a3f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:50:23 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Subjunctives and worlds To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4b.187096e8.29a04a3f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13324 --part1_4b.187096e8.29a04a3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 4:53:58 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > Yes, {mu'ei} suggests "possibilities" the same way that {roi} > suggests "occasions", but determining exactly what an occasion > is would be about as hard as determining a possibility. > I assume they are all at least events, which is a class we are stuck with in any case (remember that all events exist even if they do not hold). I assume that {mu'ei} as a tag takes {le nu}. In any case, this is getting away from being about possible worlds to being about conditions, which seems the right way to go. Yes, people differ on that a lot: some see it one way, some the other, and some somewhere in between as a totally deterministic system (time might branch but doesn't). The branching is built into SAE, but can be resisted locally. --part1_4b.187096e8.29a04a3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 4:53:58 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


Yes, {mu'ei} suggests "possibilities" the same way that {roi}
suggests "occasions", but determining exactly what an occasion
is would be about as hard as determining a possibility.


I assume they are all at least events, which is a class we are stuck with in any case (remember that all events exist even if they do not hold).  I assume that {mu'ei} as a tag takes {le nu}.  In any case, this is getting away from being about possible worlds to being about conditions, which seems the right way to go.

<To me {ba} does not
suggest a multiplicity of futures but only the one that gets
realized, so I could never get to an alternate present using
{puba}.>

Yes, people differ on that a lot: some see it one way, some the other, and some somewhere in between as a totally deterministic system (time might branch but doesn't).  The branching is built into SAE, but can be resisted locally.

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