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Subject: Re: [lojban] tautologies
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:10:51 -0500
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On Wednesday 13 February 2002 08:49, And Rosta wrote:
> As usual, I applaud your ingenuity.
>
> I would point out, though, that at times you will be forced to use
> xi subscripting:
>
> "What is it such that whoever Jane believes took it, you will
> still report a crime to the police?"
>
> i pau xi pa kau xi re ge Jane believes ma xi re took ma xi pa,
> gi you will still report a crime to the police

Does {xipa} modify {pau} or {i} here?

> Similarly:
>
> "Whatever it is that Jane knows who saw, ..."
>
> i kau xi pa Jane knows le du'u kau xi re ma xi re saw ma xi pa
>
> Also, how would you distinguish between
>
> Jane knows who went
>
> and
>
> Jane knows that whoever went, she will still go herself
>
> ? Would you make a distinction between kau placed after the
> ma (for the former), and kau placed clause-initially (for the
> latter)?

.i la djein. djuno ledu'u makau klama
.i la djein. djuno ledu'u segu makau klama gi ba'e vo'a ba klama

{kau} in the RHS of {.iju} (or the LHS of {segu}, as here, which is 
equivalent) indicates q-ever.

phma