From pycyn@aol.com Sun Mar 03 07:01:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 15:01:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 92305 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 15:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 15:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 15:01:38 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.10c.dd27195 (4234) for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:01:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10c.dd27195.29b394cb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:01:31 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautologies To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10c.dd27195.29b394cb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13489 --part1_10c.dd27195.29b394cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2002 12:28:15 AM Central Standard Time, rob@twcny.rr.com writes: > Do you have any evidence at all that letters are intended to refer to > themselves? That when Alice in Wonderland uses .abu., it's not actually > referring to Alice, just the letter A? I bet the other letters are > jealous that _they_ don't get to have adventures in Wonderland. > I don't think the letter refer to themselves, I think the lerfu words refer to the lerfu. And my evidence is that "Alice" would be spelled {abu ly ibu cy ebu}. Now, what the letters so refered to do is another issue (I should add that the problem is roughly the same in English, but Lojban is supposed to get around these things as a "logical language.") No, {a} is a sumti conjunction, {ai} is in UI, {n} is not a Lojban expression. --part1_10c.dd27195.29b394cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2002 12:28:15 AM Central Standard Time, rob@twcny.rr.com writes:


Do you have any evidence at all that letters are intended to refer to
themselves? That when Alice in Wonderland uses .abu., it's not actually
referring to Alice, just the letter A? I bet the other letters are
jealous that _they_ don't get to have adventures in Wonderland.


I don't think the letter refer to themselves, I think the lerfu words refer to the lerfu.  And my evidence is that "Alice" would be spelled {abu ly ibu cy ebu}.  Now, what the letters so refered to do is another issue (I should add that the problem is roughly the same in English, but Lojban is supposed to get around these things as a "logical language.")

<A lerfu or lerfu string on its own is a pronoun. Always.>

No, {a} is a sumti conjunction, {ai} is in UI, {n} is not a Lojban expression.

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