From rizen@ispwest.com Fri Mar 15 02:59:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rizen@ispwest.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 10:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 56888 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 10:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 10:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ispwestemail.aceweb.net) (216.52.245.18) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 10:59:45 -0000 Received: from there (unverified [65.90.119.34]) by ispwestemail.aceweb.net (Vircom SMTPRS 1.2.222) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:57:20 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] openprojects IRC whining. Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:56:16 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ted Reed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104181342 X-Yahoo-Profile: xrizen X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13780 On Thursday, March 14 2002 10:31 am, Jay Kominek wrote: > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > So, people are *still* bitching about using the openprojects.org 'net > > for IRC, even though > > > > 1) Using lojban.org for lojban IRC makes more sense. > > 2) openprojects.org splits several times a day. > > I'll repeat this again, just in case I've accidentally been speaking > Swahili the last few times: > > 1) lojban.org is a name. When you have control of the DNS, you could setup > your own round robin for irc.lojban.org which pointed it to either a > single OpenProjects server, (I can't recall one ever going down without > significant warning, and for a good reason.) or to a small collection > of servers which are usually topologically close. (I'll develop > software which can update that list every half an hour or so, if you'd > like, to guarntee that they're close. I'll even start collecting > statistics about average distance between servers.) > 2) A single server can't split from itself. If all Lojban users agreed to > normally use a single OpenProjects server, (which they wouldn't even > have to know they were doing if they were just told to use > irc.lojban.org when it pointed to a specific server) splitting would > become mostly irrelevent, and then other OpenProjects users could still > pop in from time to time, and Lojbanists could participate in other > channels more convinently. > > I used the above described technique for quite a long time on Undernet > (which splits more than OpenProjects) with a much larger group of people, > and was quite successful. > > Absolutely everyone will be getting what they want, and you won't have to > deal with IRC server maintence, etc. If/when something happens to an > OpenProjects server, they've got a huge team of people who work prompt to > fix it, whereas presumably, you leave your house occasionally. :) OPN IRC servers are remotely controlled by OPN, using ssh and rsync and such. > > So, here's my offer: > > > > If someone is willing to do the work to allow me to be connected as a > > (secondary) server to openprojects, I'll deal with the bandwidth sucking > > that will cause. > > As the OpenProjects people state on their web page, they do accept new > servers, but the minimum requirements are in the neighborhood of 45Mbps of > multihomed bandwidth. I don't think your DSL quite counts. ;) > > - Jay Kominek > Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose -- rizen