From jay.kominek@colorado.edu Thu Mar 14 16:10:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 00:10:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 47544 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 00:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 00:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ucsub.colorado.edu) (128.138.129.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 00:10:33 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu [128.138.129.12]) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2/ITS-5.0/student) with ESMTP id g2F0AWI04065 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:10:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:10:32 -0700 (MST) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] openprojects IRC whining. In-Reply-To: <20020314222845.GQ29405@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Jay Kominek X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20706630 X-Yahoo-Profile: jfkominek X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13757 On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > You know, all of the above may be true, but last I checked the community > in general agreed to use my server. Your statements to the contrary are > not helping anything. Please, there wasn't community agreement. I recall you asking about where it ought to be, and then the following message came through about 2 to 3 weeks later: "In the wake of a deafening lack of comment, I am declaring lojban.org the official IRC server of the lojban community." I responded to that, saying that the issue had been discussed in the past, and I didn't care to beat a dead horse further. I then posted some URLs for people to find IRC clients. This is the first time I've said anything to the contrary since it became "official". I'm not trying to make things difficult, but I see you calling it "whining" when OpenProjects has got people on it, and you've got xod, and I'm compelled to at least attempt to set the record straight. If you want the community's opinion, look at the users. There are consistently more people on OpenProject's #lojban than yours. ... *S* Highest connection count: 4 (4 clients) *M* chain.digitalkingdom.org Message of the Day - ... OpenProjects: *#* Users on #lojban: trans comatoast Taliesin zirpu xena deltab jewel surak tsali > I *still* think that having it on a public servernet doesn't help; AFAIK > *no-one* has come to lojban through accidently seeing the channel on > openprojects, unless they had previously heard of the language before. You've not been on there is quite a long time. I distinctly recall greeting more than a handful of people who have stumbled in there, recognizing only the name, and coming to see if it was the language, if people in there spoke it, etc, etc. The only difference between your proposal to try and link your IRC server to OpenProjects, and just pointing a CNAME at a single OpenProjects server is that you'd be (the only person) running it. You can stand around screaming at us "It makes more sense to use my server!" all day, but without some sort of justification, it isn't particularly convincing. (Stating that those people who aren't using your service are "whining" doesn't make switching particularly appealing, by the way.) - Jay Kominek Plus =C3=A7a change, plus c'est la m=C3=AAme chose