From pycyn@aol.com Mon Mar 04 06:23:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 14:23:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 33654 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 14:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 14:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 14:23:10 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.ab.17f94f02 (3959) for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:22:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:22:57 EST Subject: Re: sets, masses, &c. (was: RE: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautol... To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ab.17f94f02.29b4dd41_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 13508 --part1_ab.17f94f02.29b4dd41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2002 8:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > >Hence if we did want to distinguish between a bowl > >full of apple and a bowl full of apples, I would suggest making > >the first be full of lei apple and the second full of le'i apple. > > I think that the answer is that {lo plixe pesxu} is not {lo plise} > nor {loi plise}. The notion of {plise} incorporates shape and peel, > it is not just about a kind of material, so {lei plise} consists > of complete apples. > Nice move! Saves another metaphysical muddle. --part1_ab.17f94f02.29b4dd41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2002 8:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


>Hence if we did want to distinguish between a bowl
>full of apple and a bowl full of apples, I would suggest making
>the first be full of lei apple and the second full of le'i apple.

I think that the answer is that {lo plixe pesxu} is not {lo plise}
nor {loi plise}. The notion of {plise} incorporates shape and peel,
it is not just about a kind of material, so {lei plise} consists
of complete apples.


Nice move!  Saves another metaphysical muddle. --part1_ab.17f94f02.29b4dd41_boundary--