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Subject: RE: [lojban] What's the logic behind Lojban's sound system?
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>' does not mean 'no other consonant', it means [T] or [h].

>or any other unvoiced consonant that cannot be confused with normal Lojban
consonants.  It is hard to think of what these might be, but if you come up
with >one, it is legal (more so, indeed, than /h/, which regularly collapses
to /x/ (well, actually the other way round, but confusion none the less)).
2.3 (31)

In other words, /T/, or that weird wh some English dialects use.

>robin tr:
><Of course Turks would have as much difficulty as omst of us do with those
>goddam syllabic "r"s!>

>Hoy! As a speaker of a dialect that uses syllabic rs (retroflexed schwas)
all over the place, I object to "goddam."  They're much prettier than
>pharyngealized vowels used by those with "r-less" dialects -- and can even
be thought of as rs! (And they don't trigger my gag reflex/)

I agree.