From pycyn@aol.com Sat Apr 27 13:18:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 20:18:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 62119 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 20:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 20:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 20:18:18 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.104.14da6215 (2614) for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <104.14da6215.29fc6184@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:18:12 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] So you think you're logical? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.14da6215.29fc6184_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 14139 --part1_104.14da6215.29fc6184_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/27/2002 2:08:18 PM Central Daylight Time, araizen@newmail.net writes: > > Further, the first place of {bapli} is a force (given as a {ka}, i.e. > {du'u > > ce'u}!), not an event. > > But the place structure was written by lojbab, who has a different idea of > what > a 'ka' is. I think that we can safely say that in "normal" lojban ;-) the > first > place is a 'nu' (or whatever you decide to put in 'mukti', 'rinka', etc.) > But even Lojbab's version (with which I agree when I understand it -- distinct from {du'u ce'u} in any case) doesn't cover a force. I take it you mean "usual Lojban," assuming that a significant number people have actually used {bapli} or {bai}. The gismu list is normative and so would be followed (if possible) in normal Lojban. I'm not sure it is possible for the kinds of cases intended (which, I would say, are therefore not cases of {bapli}). --part1_104.14da6215.29fc6184_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/27/2002 2:08:18 PM Central Daylight Time, araizen@newmail.net writes:


> Further, the first place of {bapli} is a force (given as a {ka}, i.e. {du'u
> ce'u}!), not an event.

But the place structure was written by lojbab, who has a different idea of what
a 'ka' is. I think that we can safely say that in "normal" lojban ;-) the first
place is a 'nu' (or whatever you decide to put in 'mukti', 'rinka', etc.)


But even Lojbab's version (with which I agree when I understand it -- distinct from {du'u ce'u} in any case) doesn't cover a force. I take it you mean "usual Lojban," assuming that a significant number people have actually used {bapli} or {bai}.  The gismu list is normative and so would be followed (if possible) in normal Lojban. I'm not sure it is possible for the kinds of cases intended (which, I would say, are therefore not cases of {bapli}). --part1_104.14da6215.29fc6184_boundary--