From phma@webjockey.net Sun May 19 07:52:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 14:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 27123 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 14:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 14:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 14:52:37 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 2F54A3C4CA; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Law, hir lin... Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:52:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02051910523110.02013@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 14293 On Sunday 19 May 2002 10:21, aolung wrote: > What do you think of the Lojban translation below? > > .aulun. > _________ > > "Law, hîr nín, ú dollen i Rîw. Anírach, nui lû, gwannad uin gwaith lín?" > (A= rwen to Aragorn) > "Nem, uram, még nem jött a tél. Akar-e, az idõ elõtt, elmenni a népérõl?" > "Nein, mein Gebieter, noch ist der Winter nicht gekommen. Wollt Ihr, vor > de= r Zeit, Euer Volk verlassen?" > "lu naku doi turni be mi do'u ca dunra .i .ue paunai pu'o le tertei ku do > d= jica lenu cliva le do natmi li'u" I know neither Sindarin nor Hungarian, so I'm trying to go by the German. {naku ca dunra} (btw, {do'u} is unnecessary) means "it is not now winter" without indicating whether Arwen expects winter to be past or future. I'd say {bajecanai dunra} if she knows that it's future. {tertei} doesn't sound right - it's the endpoint of a time interval, and the obvious time interval is winter - but it's the *beginning* of winter, if I understand right, that would be the appropriate time. Maybe {citsi}. phma