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--- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote:
>      'lonu zasti ce lonu na zasti cu finsi'u
>      .i loka nandu ce loka frili cu riksi'u
>      .i loka clani ce loka tordu cu mresi'u
>      .i loka galtu ce loka dizlu cu bapsi'u
>      .i lo voksa joi lo sance cu saxsi'u
>      .i caku lo purci lo bavli cu katyje'i'

Sein und Nichtsein entspringen einander=20
Schwer und Leicht bedingen einander=20
Lang und Kurz vermessen einander=20
Hoch und Tief erzwingen einander.=20
Die Stimme f=FCgt sich dem Ton im Chor=20
Und ein Danach folgt dem Zuvor .=20

(Prof. G.Debon)

Don't have the original at hand, but I can say that the translation
was
also inspired by this German version (G.D. is a sinologist with high
reputation on the field of poetry).

> 6. {balvi} (all the rest is esthetic choices).  Having both {kalte}
and=20
> {jersi} seems like overkill, though  the image is nice.

If I remember right, this was about the Chinese expression (chase?).
{jersi} seemed important (-> follow), {kalte} to build a
poetic/rhyming=20
lujvo.=20

> Why is the mutuality missing here (or is {je'i} a misprint for
{si'u})?=20=20
> Surely the intention is that the future pursues the past as well

Don't think so: Future is eaten up by the past not viceversa!=20

> What is the point of the=20
> {caku}, which breaks the pattern? All of these are presumably
eternal facts=20
> (indeed, one variant reading has just that claim about the list).

{caku} is the narrow (virtual) line where {purci} reaches {balvi} -
devouring/incorporating it live ;-( Excuse, this being my own idea!
Maybe the whole is circular in kind of a helix, but not mutual in
direction.

mi'e .aulun.