From sentto-44114-14620-1025988138-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jul 06 13:42:51 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:42:51 z (PDT) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.91]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17QwOH-0001bx-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:42:49 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14620-1025988138-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2002 20:42:19 -0000 X-Sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 20:42:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 95984 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 20:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 20:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta11n.bluewin.ch) (195.186.1.211) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 20:42:18 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (62.202.164.187) by mta11n.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.0.053) id 3D0EE297002E9571 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:42:15 +0200 Message-ID: <003601c2252d$ccade660$bba4ca3e@oemcomputer> To: "jboste" References: <167.104005df.2a5873c2@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "G. Dyke" X-Yahoo-Profile: gregvdyke MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:42:52 +0200 Subject: [lojban] Re: mei (was Pro-Sumti) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > In a message dated 7/6/2002 9:53:08 AM Central Daylight Time, > gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch writes: > > > > <> I interpret Nmei as being a bijection between the N members of the set > > in > > > x2 and the N constituants of the mass in x3.> > > I take it as an injection 3 >2, as it were: I think that elements in 3 have > also to be in 2. **Sorry, this is really confusing, I meant x1 and x2, but I now prefer xorxes' **nmei: x1 is a mass of n elements taken from set x2 > > >if > > > >even one ball is green (sometimes if even one ball has a green spot). > > > > > > > But this is only true because of the implicit pisu'o. It seems to me that > it > > should only be true if "enough" of the balls are green so that, when > > considered as a mass the mass is green. Very little of a pine tree is > > actually green (with shadows and all, even less than half) but {le ckunu > > tricu cu crino} is true because the tree is considered as the mass of it's > > components. > > I don't think that a tree is considered a mass at all (usually, anyhow). It > is green just because that is the way we use that word -- analysis might > suggest something about what they way is but would not change the humanly > primitive use here. **Just as a tree should not be considered a mass of things, lei broda should be considered as a mass without consideration for the individual broda > > <> Agreed, we can live with an implied pisu'o on {lei bolci}, but you can't > > extend that to {mei}> > > Well, it is one way to get consistency into the mass system, the next step > will be to make the system intensional, which is generally something to be > avoided as long as possible. **I need another English lesson here... (or is it a Logic lesson?) what is wrong with getting consistency in that way? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pp91HA/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/