From sentto-44114-14688-1027283373-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 13:30:06 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:30:06 z (PDT) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17WNLB-0001OX-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:30:05 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14688-1027283373-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2002 20:29:34 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 20:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 52987 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 20:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 20:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 20:29:32 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.8f.1f507627 (4230) for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f.1f507627.2a6c73a9@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:29:29 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] bancu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.1f507627.2a6c73a9_boundary" X-archive-position: 218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_8f.1f507627.2a6c73a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/21/2002 2:49:44 PM Central Daylight Time, gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch writes: > bancu : x1 exceeds/is beyond limit/boundary x2 from x3 in property/amount x4 > (ka/ni) > > what goes in x3?? > At a guess (and, given that we generally forget the discussions that went into these discussions, that is what we are left with) this tells whether we have too much or too little of the property (cf. Aristotle on virtues being the mean between excesses -- and so vices being the excesses on either side the mean). The other obvious possibility is the source of the boundary -- who decides what is the line between excess and mere abundance. Of course, the easy answer is just that x3 is always just abundance, perhaps differently named for different properties or quantities (I wonder if we now want those proeprties to be {ka} or {du'u}?). --part1_8f.1f507627.2a6c73a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/21/2002 2:49:44 PM Central Daylight Time, gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch writes:


bancu : x1 exceeds/is beyond limit/boundary x2 from x3 in property/amount x4
(ka/ni)

what goes in x3??


At a guess (and, given that we generally forget the discussions that went into these discussions, that is what we are left with) this tells whether we have too much or too little of the property (cf. Aristotle on virtues being the mean between excesses -- and so vices being the excesses on either side the mean). 

The other obvious possibility is the source of the boundary -- who decides what is the line between excess and mere abundance.

Of course, the easy answer is just that x3 is always just abundance, perhaps differently named for different properties or quantities (I wonder if we now want those proeprties to be {ka} or {du'u}?).
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