From sentto-44114-14856-1028154501-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jul 31 15:28:57 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17a1xc-0007do-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:28:52 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14856-1028154501-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2002 22:28:21 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 22:28:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 36775 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 22:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 22:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 22:28:20 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.57.f332b6f (18710) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57.f332b6f.2a79be7e@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:28:14 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: gi'uste bau la doitc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.f332b6f.2a79be7e_boundary" X-archive-position: 386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_57.f332b6f.2a79be7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/31/2002 2:36:12 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes: << > First of all it should be {doitc} - daitc is sounding pretty Yiddish ;-) > bacru is "=E4u=DFern" (utter), "=E4u=DFerst" is "extreme(ly)" >> Corrected already but thanks. << "m=FCndlich macht Klang" is hardly a German phrase (maybe: "mit Stimme=20 erzeugter Ton" - is it really that, just a sound/noise without meaning/ semantics? >> Yes, it really is "make a noise with the mouth" (even that English is prett= y=20 bad -- no wonder the German doesn't work). I'm not sure that "a voice=20 generated sound" is a lot better, but probably more Germanic. No semantics= =20 implied. << badna Banane(!) Art/Gattung (like mentioned already by Pierre) >> Yup! Typo (habits are hard to kill, even if haven't ever typed "banana"=20 before, as far as I can tell) For the rest, I am unsure. It seems that so= me=20 of the good old words of use here were ruined by the precontemporary=20 political ideology, so "Rasse" is a no-no even for bananas (yet "Art" is al= l=20 right, though as overworked in that period) but the principle of not using= =20 international words is still in full force (what happened to Ueber den=20 Entwicklung der Spezies von Charles Darwin?). So, drop "Rasse" and add the= =20 other two (I like "Gattung" for breeds). << First of all it should be {doitc} - daitc is sounding pretty Yiddish ;-) >> Surely someone has already ponted out that {doitc} is not legal for names=20 since it contains /doi/. {dyitc} maybe -- which sounds even more Yiddish t= o=20 me. --part1_57.f332b6f.2a79be7e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/31= /2002 2:36:12 PM Central Daylight Time, Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes:

<<

First of all it should be {do= itc} - daitc is sounding pretty Yiddish ;-)
bacru is "=E4u=DFern" (utter), "=E4u=DFerst" is "extreme(ly)"

<= BR> >>
Corrected already but thanks.

<<
"m=FCndlich macht Klang" is hardly a German phrase (maybe: "mit Stimme
erzeugter Ton" - is it really that, just a sound/noise without meaning/
semantics?
>>
Yes, it really is "make a noise with the mouth" (even that English is prett= y bad -- no wonder the German doesn't work). I'm not sure that "a voi= ce generated sound" is a lot better, but probably more Germanic. No s= emantics implied.

<<
badna Banane(!) Art/Gattung (like mentioned already= by Pierre)
>>

Yup! Typo (habits are hard to kill, even if haven't ever typed "banana" bef= ore, as far as I can tell) For the rest, I am unsure. It seems = that some of the good old words of use here were ruined by the precontempor= ary political ideology, so "Rasse" is a no-no even for bananas (yet "Art" i= s all right, though as overworked in that period) but the principle of not = using international words is still in full force (what happened to Ueber de= n Entwicklung der Spezies von Charles Darwin?). So, drop "Rasse" and = add the other two (I like "Gattung" for breeds).

<<
First of all it should be {doitc} - daitc is sounding pretty Yiddish ;-) >>

Surely someone has already ponted out that {doitc} is not legal for names s= ince it contains /doi/. {dyitc} maybe -- which sounds even more Yiddi= sh to me.

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