From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jul 24 19:19:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 02:19:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 74388 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 02:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 02:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 02:19:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17XYDo-0002FY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:19:20 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17XYDa-0002FF-00; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:19:07 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17XYDX-0002F5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:19:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 8482 invoked by uid 534); 25 Jul 2002 02:19:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:19:01 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] to-do list (was Re: New Members, Board of Directors, other LogFest results) Message-ID: <20020724201901.A1531@miranda.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020723195058.030913c0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010730221611.00b10c00@pop.cais.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> <20020723103956.E28971@miranda.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723195058.030913c0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724122649.032e7ec0@pop.east.cox.net> <018e01c23350$150a6c00$73a1ca3e@oemcomputer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724195628.032f4c80@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724195628.032f4c80@pop.east.cox.net>; from lojbab@lojban.org on Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:28:12PM -0400 X-archive-position: 266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 14714 On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:28:12PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > >How complicated can a dictionnary spec be? > > I dunno. People seem to think we need something more than is being done, > but there have been no articulated specifics. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/14204 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/6906 http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?The%20Lojban%20Dictionary http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Great%20Dictionary%20Problem http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?jbovlaste There have been more messages, but it'd take too long to find them, and I just don't care at this point, beyond preventing this slandering. I've been on this for quite awhile, trying to get feedback as to what other people think is important in the system. > You have to understand that many people don't want to install ANY software > downloaded from the net. I have, at no point, ever suggested doing this as anything except a web based system. Anything beyond that would be entirely optional on the user's part. I have some vague idea how to design software appropriate for a given target audience. I've been doing it for quite awhile, now. I'm able to eat and putz about on the Internet because I'm paid to develop software. I'm told I'm fairly good at it. So could we maybe at least stop with the concerns that all the evil, horrible, mean UNIX-using Lojbanists are incapable of making something usable by plebes? Its tiresomeg, and insulting. > But for me also it is simply learning curve. Time spent learning news > software cuts into the time I can spend doing what I do now, and I don't > have enough time for THAT. Most people can use their web browser and fill out forms. (And, since you'll likely not read the URLs I've posted above, I'll simply readdress the concern you had last time, wherein you said that you normally did a few hundred words at a time, and wouldn't want to deal with a form each time. (How many times have you done a block of a few hundred words, by the way? There are only 1350 some odd gismu. And what are you doing with them?) I can easily set something up so that people who want to make a bulk contribution can write themselves up a specially formatted text file and upload that to the web site. Why, hypothetically, it could even read stupid fixed column width ACII files.) Thats all the skill I have asked of anyone at any point in my designs. > I have the impression that several people have done that already. Since I > can't imagine using the computer to look up individual words, I've never > seen much use in it. Looking a word up as quickly as you can type it is in no way appealing to you? -- Jay Kominek Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Or any other orifice, for that matter.