From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jul 23 09:40:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 16:40:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 50384 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 16:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 16:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 16:40:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17X2hw-0007TQ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:40:20 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17X2he-0007Sz-00; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:40:02 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17X2ha-0007Sq-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:39:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 9296 invoked by uid 534); 23 Jul 2002 16:39:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:39:56 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New Members, Board of Directors, other LogFest results Message-ID: <20020723103956.E28971@miranda.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010730221611.00b10c00@pop.cais.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020723025544.032cba90@pop.east.cox.net>; from lojbab@lojban.org on Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 03:03:32AM -0400 X-archive-position: 223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 14671 On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 03:03:32AM -0400, Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group wrote: > Attached are the current minutes. I'll have Robin put the prior minutes up > on the website, but I'm not sure we'll have that before LogFest. > >-moving the various lists off yahoo (which may have been rendered moot by > >Robin's mirroring, but this remains the only item that was actually > >proposed in response to my call for agenda issues in May) I must've missed that. I'd like to see the delegating of work discussed at Logfest. (Not that I'll be there.) In particular, it seems worth noting that projects like, say, the dictionary havn't really moved anywhere in the last, what, 9 years? Certainly there are extenuating circumstances as to why the person(s) currently working on it havn't produced anything, but it would be nice if the members would at least discuss the possibility of farming out some of these projects (like the dictionary) to parties who have demonstrated that they can get something accomplished on them. (Thus giving the newly responsible parties some degree of official backing in their labors, and hopefully encouraging them enough to complete the task.) > >-Presuming finances are settled, naturally, the ensuing print publication > >of Nick's two books - the level 0 book and the lojban lessons. I have > >estimates from one printer (Sheridan/Bookcrafters) for that publication, > >and we can discuss this estimate in advance of the meeting if people who > >won't be present want to do so. I don't have the numbers at my > >fingertips, but, there is a base charge and then a per book cost, such > >that the L0 book would likely run a couple dollars a copy in paperback, > >and the lesson book around $5-6 a copy in hardbound. The requested > >donation for the L0 book would presumably remain at $5; the price for the > >lesson book needs to be decided, but probably needs to be around $25-30 if > >we want to break even any sooner than the last book (which has taken 5 > >years to pay off the debt, leaving us several thousand dollars short of > >breaking even) > >-ideas to improve my order fulfillment record (including possibly seeking > >an order fulfillment service, that would fill our orders, typically for > >dollar or two per book) How about going to Kinko's, and seeing how much they charge to print the book? Then, when the LLG gets an order, they guesstimate who (from a list of volunteers) is closest to the person ordering the text, and email the order on to them. They go to Kinko's, or use the printer at work, or whatever they want to do, print the thing off, get it comb bound (either done themselves with equipment from office depot, or have kinko's do it), and then mail it off USPS book rate. They email back to the LLG the actual cost of getting the book sent off, and LLG sends them those funds via, say, paypal. Parties wishing to make smallish donations could then quote the LLG for a smaller actual cost or not charge the LLG, etc. And if they don't ACK the book request within a week or something, the LLG can inquire as to the status, if it isn't satisfied by the response, they can then tell the person to stop trying to fufill the order, wait a day, and then send the order out to the next person. As far as fufilling orders for the CLL, again, locate a few trustworthy volunteers. Ship them, say, 10 copies of the book. Open a Fedex account. Give the volunteers the Fedex account number, and then, whenever you receive an order, pick the nearest person, and give them the address to ship the book to. For some people, this would be a trivial amount of work. (My place of work has a daily pickup from Fedex. I could keep a stack of books under my desk. I come in to work in the morning, see an email from Lojbab telling me that I need to mail a copy out to joe blow. I walk down to the shipping room with a copy, toss it in one of the many free boxes Fedex supplies us with, fill out the Fedex form with the account number on it, and leave it in the pickup box. That would be significantly faster turn around time than the current scheme, I suspect. I'm also probably not the only person who works at a place with a Fedex pickup.) > >-reflecting on the latter, ways to respond to snail mail correspondence > >regarding Lojban that does not give an email, given that we do not have > >anything current which is fit to send out (8 year old brochures seem > >passe, especially since most people who hear of us did so via the > >Internet, and thus have probably seen it). Right now, such correspondence > >gets filed for "someday" which means that people have not gotten response > >for years. I think this needs to change, but I don't think I will > >suddenly improve in this regard. Ideas welcome. Get a list of local volunteers, who, again, will print off some stuff, and mail it back to the person, including their own snail mail address, and a note saying that they're willing to answer questions, or correspond with the person in/about Lojban via snailmail. Then all the LLG needs to do is email off the person's snailmail address, and a rough description of what the person was requesting. (And possibly authorize such volunteers to use LLG letterhead.) >>From the minutes: > MOVED: To make the flyers available, to any interested party attending > a Science Fiction or related convention, for distribution, at the > discretion of the Board - PASSED as AMENDED. http://www.miranda.org/~jkominek/lojban/lojbanbrochure.pdf I accept corrections and comments on how the information density can be increased. -- Jay Kominek Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. -- Elbert Hubbard