From sentto-44114-14932-1028683278-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Aug 06 18:21:51 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17cFWH-0003Uq-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:21:49 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14932-1028683278-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2002 01:21:18 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 01:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 89999 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 01:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 01:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 01:21:17 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.31.2b07aae1 (26120) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31.2b07aae1.2a81cfff@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:21:03 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: non-core translations Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31.2b07aae1.2a81cfff_boundary" X-archive-position: 462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_31.2b07aae1.2a81cfff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 7:30:22 PM Central Daylight Time, bob@RATTLESNAKE.COM writes: << > and the end of the freeze period is coming up >> Did I miss something? The freeze period ends five years after the last determinative book is published. We have one down, one being or two roughed out, one being talked about and several not even in discussion (indeed, barely described). This does not sound like "coming up" except in the general sense: the end of the world is coming up, when the sun super-novas. (Hyperbole) << The point I want to make -- and this is very relevant to people creating dictionaries in non-English languages -- is that the place structures tell you more about the meaning of the gismu than the keyword. Please look at the place structure! > When translating, for example, the most important thing is to get > a keyword for the gismu, .... No! Please don't! Please look at and translate the place structures. Ignore the keywords. >> Amen. --part1_31.2b07aae1.2a81cfff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 7:30:22 PM Central Daylight Time, bob@RATTLESNAKE.COM writes:

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Did I miss something? The freeze period ends five years after the last determinative book is published. We have one down, one being or two roughed out, one being talked about and several not even in discussion (indeed, barely described). This does not sound like "coming up" except in the general sense: the end of the world is coming up, when the sun super-novas. (Hyperbole)

<<

The point I want to make -- and this is very relevant to people
creating dictionaries in non-English languages -- is that the place
structures tell you more about the meaning of the gismu than the
keyword. Please look at the place structure!

> When translating, for example, the most important thing is to get
> a keyword for the gismu, ....

No! Please don't! Please look at and translate the place structures.
Ignore the keywords.
>>

Amen.

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